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wireless and dropped out halfway through. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> john: good evening i'm john fugelsang. thank you so much for joining us tonight. with the nothing in the 2012 national election behind them, and the risk of demographic doom at the hands of surging minority groups growing every day the g.o.p. is making an all-out effort to reboot the whole brand. last night luis boy governor bobby jindal had this advice for his party at the republican national committee's winter meeting in charlotte, north carolina. >> we got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious. it's time for the new republican party that talks like adults. it's time for us to articulate our plans and visions for america in real terms. it's no secret that we had a number of republicans that damaged the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments.

i'm here to say we've had enough of that. >> john: just how the party plans to keep four todd akin and richard mourdock's from disgorging off-hand comments on legitimate rape and rape-born children as something god intend intended remains to be seen. but reince priebus the g.o.p. chair has vision of a renewed republican party. we can renewt americans around our values if we can prove we can take them to a better place. unfortunately for priebus many feel they have been there already. it's called george w. bush america. it has two unfunded wars, depression and ongoing effort to divide americans over wage issues. it leads to secure a presidential win in 2016 by changing the rules of the

electoral college. now under the old rules the candidate who wins the popular votes gets all of the state's electoral votes. which is how president obama beat mitt romney handily 332- 332-206. but under the new rules presidential candidates would split the electoral college votes based on which congressional districts they won with two additional electoral votes going to the winner of the popular vote. so if those rules had been in effect last year, president obama would have lost to governor romney 262-273. nice thinking. right now those rules are in effect in two states maine and nebraska. but g.o.p. legislation in michigan pennsylvania and virginia are also considering making the change. the g.o.p. also isn't backing down on its effort to restrict access to the ballot box by potential democratic voters wherever it can. so the democratic legislators in

both houses are offering an voter empowerment act. modernize voter registration systems. ensure online voter registration. allow same-day registration. restore voting rights to convicted criminals after they've paid their debt to society and been released. and set standard for polling place practices. i'm happy to be joined by the one and only john conyers. what a pleasure. >> greetings, and it's a pleasure to be with you sir. >> john: it's great to have you. i'm very inspired but what you're trying to do. the g.o.p. only held the house through jerrymandering, why is a voter amendment needed. >> what we found out after the election in november was that there were a great number of

disillusionses voters who had to wait hours in line, not just in detroit and chicago but all across the country. we also found that there were a number of states that were doing supposedly clever things to discourage voting. for example, they would make the early voting shorter. they would limit registering to vote. they would do all that they could that would make voting a little more difficult. caging in which you try to find out who isn't living where they are supposed to be living, and challenging their vote. and so what a number of us have been working on through a lot of

election reform groups and civil rights groups and some scholars is that we put together this omnibus road to electoral reform bill. it's 199 pages long. it has over 50 important changes, and you named some of them all right. and what we're doing is saying as far as we've come already voting still has a little bit more perfection. we can make it better, make it easier, make it friendly to the voters. that's what some people in politics don't want to do, but that's what those of us that are 160 in number, including senator

kirsten gillibrand in new york just introduced, and we'll have our work cut out for us to make the election fair and easier for the american citizen. >> john: is this designed to help democratic voters or do both parties try to play dirty tricks with each other's voters? have democrats tried to suppress republican votes as well? >> we're not angels on the democratic side, but i cannot name you one instance to document that. i don't know about it. and look, all republicans are not all bad guys. a lot of these things are being done by their political organizations by a few elected officials that don't care about how they win.

but by and large making voting easier for everybody is nonpartisan. if it's easier for everybody it will affect--it should be fair. but i must say sir that many of these tricks that we're trying to eliminate and rules that we're trying to change happen in low income communities, in communities of color, after american or historic, and so there is that element that has to be considered. >> john: sir, were you encouraged to hear florida governor rick scott say he would like to make voting easier for residents of his state after the many many complaints after last november's election day opening voteing earlier, for example. >> of course, if he means it. that's what we want to do. we want same-day registration.

we want early voting. we want to end the long lines that people are complaining about in the last election. >> john: any chance of bringing the motor voter bill vetoed by george h.w. bush that was automatically register you when you got your driver's license? >> you know, you would make a great staffer in washington because nobody has come up with that yet. >> john: well, you know, it seems like it would work. before we go, and i do thank you for your time, congressman, what do you think of the republicans' effort toss rebrand themselves by changing its messaging without changing the core values of the party? do you think voters are rejecting what republicans are calling their core values? do you think they're on the right track changing at least the way they present their message to the voting public? >> well look, i'll leave the

details to someone else on that subject, but i can say this, the republican party is disintegrating before our eyes. they're embarrassing conservative americans that vote republican. pretty soon they won't even have a party that they can refer to with a straight face. and so they've got to make changes. which way they make them i just want them to be as fair as i think the process should be for everybody regardless of their political point of view. >> john: well, we'll always have fox news no matter what happens. representative john conyers from the great state of michigan. thank you for your time tonight. >> have a great year. >> john: you, too, come back now. for more on the g.o.p.'s rebranding effort i'm pleased to be joined by republican

strategist rick tyler, a former adviser to todd akin's campaign and former newt gringrich's spokesman and democratic strategist basil smykell. were you shocked when you heard bobby jindal said the republicans have stop to being the stupid party especially since he was referring to todd akin. >> there are a lot of reasons why you could say the republican party is the stupid party. i think we're a party of bad manners. i think our policies are right but how some call outreach and some call inclusion is not always right. yeah i think the g.o.p.--i think he's probably right in saying what he said. i think the g.o.p. has a long way to go and that was evident in the last election, no question about it. >> john: considering that governor jindal is opposed to abortion in cases of rape or insist, is it fair of him to call out todd akin or richard mourdock. >> i didn't hear him mention either one of their names but i

assume he's referring to. we can all have different opinions about abortion, gay rights marriage, i think to get to the rebranding issue i haven't heard a lot of talk about what is it that the party is going to look like? do we have to be a national party? yes, i absolutely agree with that. i think we can get rid of these battleground state idea. i think moving to winner take all would change the dynamics of the presidential election and i think eastern ohio, which has coal, would get finally represented where they get ignored even though they are a swing state and get a lot of attention. i think the winner take all by cd makes a lot of sense. >> john: let me bring in basil if you were a consultant, would you be preserving that bobby jindal sound bite for the next generations. >> i would be, but i don't think it would make a huge difference. the reason why i say that, just

as alluded to, the republican party is in danger of becoming a regional party, a southern party. long are the days of the republicans from the northeast. no george pataki from new york. >> but you say that but they the reason for president. >> the interesting thing by mitt romney a lot of republicans thought he would be the strongest candidate to go up against the president. but it seemed like he had to disavow so many of his own policies and move so far to the right it was impossible for him to come back to the center to really go up against the president between the romney huntsman, maybe a lot of democrats were thinking, but again the problem is that a lot of these northeastern republicans, a lot of folks who are republicans could hang their hat on, they don't seem to have a space and a party. i'll just add there quickly if you look at the fact that mark

zuckerberg from facebook doing a fundraiser for chris christie, there is hope, but it's in danger of becoming a regional party. >> john: rick, let me ask ask you, do you think that governor jindal was price to position himself as a leader with those remarks even though he holds the same views that have been deemed unpopular with abortion. >> i like governor jindal. i don't know what his plans are for the future. but recruiting candidates who claim to be fiscal conservatives and social moderates we've lost ground in the northeast we've been obliterated. the reason for that is different. it's not because there is no room in the party with differing opinions, if you're going to have a republican who is not a conservative and a democrat, then people are going to choose

democrat. that's what has happened. i cut my teeth on the northeast. i grew up in new hampshire. i'm aware of the northeast. that's the problem. that's why i'm worried about the direction of the party is going to go. it has got to have it's conservative values. i always found it interesting that we saudi arabia about social conservatives and fiscal idea here. but i want to know what this fiscal economic policy or even an accounting principle that doesn't contain moral and ethics. bernie madoff would really like to study that that doesn't have morality and ethics. i don't buy the idea that fiscal issues is not a social issue. of course it's a social issue. >> john: that's a great point. >> the counterpoint i would make is new york city, 5-1 democrat to republican. but we haven't had a democratic mayor in 20 years. there is room. there is room for fiscal conservativism here. there is some room, maybe not a lot, and maybe not in new york city exactly but there is some

room for social conservatism as well. but from a fiscalcally conservative point there is room to vote for a republican candidate. it has been proven here in new york for the last 20 years. >> john: rick, let me go back to you. talking to the g.o.p.'s meeting and messaging versus the actual message. the poll shows that americans favor abortion rights or most of the president's gun control measures are quite popular or 50% of americans support marriage equality. is it really more the matter of the message than how they present it. >> you have a poll that shows that americans are more pro-life pro-life. >> a minority describes them as pro-choice 40%. but last may the amount of americans who support all or some abortion rights come to 77% in that poll. >> it depends. we get into those issues but i

would say america is roughly split between pro-life and pro-choice. you can get into what that means. exceptions half a million people here today marching on the right to life. that won't be covered. >> john: indeed, there are. >> and then you have the marriage issue. there may be that there is a marriage civil union but where you get into trouble as soon as the state tries to tell the church what marriage is. that's supposed to be protected in the first amendment, the constitution about the establishment clause. so look, i think that the republican party does not have a message problem. we've had often a messenger problem and delivery problem but i think most americans--i do believe this is a center-right country and most people come down. there are some common sense gun control laws. i haven't seen one come out of washington, but look many americans, and you're looking at--it's really becoming more of

an urban--this is true in the electoral college urban versus rural, and i think rural america is getting the shaft. >> john: i agree with you. rick tyler, i hope you'll join us again. >> i will. >> john: and basil smykell. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> john: a man who represents is a survival of abuseed will join me next. without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪ ♪

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this. >> current's award winning original series is back with an all-new episode straight from the headlines. in the minefield of the nation's gun control debate, this could be the most polarizing issue. >> anybody could claim "stand your ground" and they can get away with murder. >> only on current tv. >> john: more shame for the peddlers of shame. according to internal documents released by the catholic church this week, cardinal roger mahony once helped conceal cases of child monthly less station by priests from law enforcement authorities. now mahony who served in southern california was at the time the archbishop of the largest catholic diocese in the u.s. in one letter about a priest who admitted to preying on undocumented children for decades, mahony warns quote i believe if monsignor garcia were

to reappear within the archdiocese we might very well have some type of legal action filed in both the criminal and civil sectors. did you catch that? not that he might sexually abuse children. but if he was here we might have legal problems. which would be far worse than calling the cops and having him incarcerated so he can't assault more children. joining me now on the program is the director of snap or the survivors network of those abused by priests. david thank you for your time and being here this evening. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> john: what was your initial reaction about cardinal mahony upon reading these despicable documents. >> i hate to say it, it might sound cynical but i wasn't surprised. i was dismayed. it's one thing to passively keep

information hidden about child predators. that's wrong in every sense. but to actively conceal child sex crimes from law enforcement when you know that these predators are likely to strike again, and you know that your efforts could keep some behind bars away from kids, that's just unconsciencible. >> john: how flimsy do you find the church's defense. i agree with you this was not a huge surprise. anyone who saw the documentary "deliver us from evil" knows cardinal mahony's slate has not been clean in this regard. but when some say he was just naive on how to handle the sex abuse charges did the word naive upset you as much as it upset me. >> oh sure. it's laughable. it's absurd. this is an extraordinaryily smart, well-educated man. they lead the nation's largest

archdiocese, and these are shrewd people. they think long and hard about clever ways to protect the predators and enup endanger kids. even a teenager, even a high school drop out knows if you suspect a crime you call the police. that's especially true if you know about the crime. it's especially true if the victims are children. it's especially true if the crime is likely to be repeated. cardinal mahony knows this. he's a social worker by training and background, for heaven's sake. there is nothing naive about the men who hid these crimes for decades. >> john: these people who came forward, i won't call them victims but survivors we've seen pay-outs by the church, do you think this deception and secrecy is still a part of the church's

culture today? >> i have to say sadly it very much is. i know that's hard for people to understand but it's crucial to remember, john, that this is a monarchy. as much as this scandal has tarnished the hierarchy the men at the top of the pyramid still have faced little if any consequences for their dreadful wrongdoing. and for that reason their power remains intact, and for that reason we've seen so little change on their part. there are tons and tons of policies panels, procedures, and protocol, and on paper it looks like the catholic hierarchy has responded well. but bishops are still acting very recklessly, very callously very secretively. it's really disconcerting. >> john: especially since the vatican at one point tried to blame this on gay priests despite the overwhelming

majority of priest who is have interfered with children have been heterosexual-identified males. >> absolutely. >> john: it gets back to this is not a christian thing but a roman thing. this seems to be an old tradition kept alive in the vatican walls and it has turned this faith into a third world religion. do you see any connection between a vow of celibacy, put in place in 1100 ad so priests could not leave wealth to their kids, in this unhealthy behavior that we don't see manifested in religious that don't have this celabicy rule. >> you're right. the problems with the celibacy rule many believe that the sexually troubled catholic teens and young men who have bizarre

scary, sexual urges they believe that celibacy is a gift from god and if they pledge themselves to a life to god and in church they will be suppressed of these urges. that's are a nice hope but the practical reality is that many instances the reverse plays out. when you restrict your pool of potential ministers to only men who have promised to be celibate you're bound to attract less than healthy individuals and you're going to create situations in which many, many men, if no one can have sex of any sort, then many men will have a sexual secret. and if you have a sexual secret you're not going to rat out priests who are abusing children children. >> david executive correcter of

the survivors of those abused by priests. thank you for the work that you do. >> i appreciate it. >> john: would it surprise you to learn violence has something to do with oil? shocking, i know. that's coming up. question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

>> john: louisiana governor bobby jindal spoke to the republican national committee and he had a very blunt message for his fellow conservatives. >> we got to stop being the stupid party. it's no secret that we had a number of republicans that damaged the brand with bizarre comments. we've had enough of that. >> john: bobby jindal is right. the g.o.p. is march marginalizing their party and telling them to

stop being stupid is bobby's way of positioning himself in the presidential. who else to admonish against stupidity than the governor who proposed education cuts while signing the academic freedom act which allows teachers to talk about the design theory in design class. governor jindal supports the constitutional amendment banning flag burning but opposes the fairness doctrine because that might infringe on free speech. he's against abortion in cases of rape and incest like the two guys he's calling stuff stupid. i guess you wants you to stop

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>> john: where there is oil there are humans fighting over it. could this explain the recent surge in taliban violence in afghanistan? that's what investigative journalist antonia juhasz has found after a three-week undercover investigation. she writes, the result is clear and far from unique to afghanistan. as the development of oil and gas sector has risen so too has violence and insecurity. the author of "the tyranny of oil." thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: why should americans care about this particular story? >> well, the u.s. pentagon is leading the development of oil

and gas in afghanistaned and what that has meant is an increase in violence. that's a problem for afghans certainly, and it's a problem for troops fighting in afghanistan, and it could be a cause to delay our leaving afghanistan, which i think something most americans want to see happen. >> john: indeed. now when we think about holy-producing nations afghanistan does not usually come up in the top ten. how much oil is underneath afghan soil. >> yeah, it doesn't have a lot. it doesn't have a lot of natural gas. it doesn't compare to iraq. afghanistan has 1.6 billion barrels compared to iraq's 116. that said, any oil and natural gas right now is oil and natural gas that somebody wants and is going to fight for. also afghanistan is very strategiccally located among other countries that do have oil and natural gas holdings.

both have resources of its own that are important and the strategic location of the other countries that have even more than it does. >> john: the mining of this oil and gas is controlled by our pentagon and not the afghan government. >> it is owned by the afghan government. it is the u.s. pentagon that has been pumping to open to foreign sectors and pushing bringing in foreign companies companies like exxon and cheveron that have said they want to invest in afghanistan but thus far have not. >> john: it seems like the taliban's greatest threat to their power potential by might be foreign investment rather than attorney troops. what does the taliban have to gain by committing acts of violence against these drilling locations? >> i'm not sure if it's the biggest threat against the taliban but it has drawn their attention. as the u.s. government has increased it's interest in

afghanistan's oil and gas what i experienced and what i found was that so, too was the taliban, and i think the taliban is attacking oil and gas targets and seeing it as a lightening rod for their attention. because they want to deny the power of having that resource would bring to the karzai government to the u.s. government to local warlords and regional leaders who they oppose. and basically they want to deny control of this resource to others who would want it. >> john: now, is that because they aspire to one day control it themselves or is the effort to keep the people of afghanistan in the stone age? >> no, when the taliban controlled the afghan government they did negotiate to control the passage of oil and gas through afghanistan. they wanted to negotiate with u.s. oil companies the lead negotiator for the company was the ownerin california, cheveron,

i think they would be interested in developing this resource if they were in control. but right now they want to deny it to those that are in control. >> john: it's not that they're part of the green movement. >> i don't think so. >> john: when you decided to go undercover, what did that entail and what made you want to do this? >> i wouldn't say that i went undercover. i definitely tried to pass as an afghan as much as possible. i focus focused on oil and what happens the environmental rights cause, human rights cause and for a year now this was my second reporting trip to afghanistan, i spent three weeks traveling all across the north and over to the west of the country trying to see if this sector is developed who lives where the oil and gas lies, what will happen to them? what do they know about this sector and what does it mean

about the war and our troops fighting in the war. what i found when i traveled supposedly safe areas of afghanistan was i kept having near misses with taliban attacks, including deadly taliban attacks. it became clear that the taliban were essentially following a similar map that i was that they were targeting oil and gas just as i was traveling, and the timing was not coincidental. i was there because the pentagon was in a new negotiating round to try to get new oil companies into afghanistan and the world attention was focused on the country in that sector, and so, too, were the taliban. >> john: we only have 20 seconds left but if the taliban were to get a place at the table in terms of governance, what is their end game here? >> well, i think that that certainly is a bigger question for what the taliban's end game is. i think in terms of this

resource, what we don't want is to create another hotbed for violence in afghanistan. there is plenty of hotbeds for violence. it's dangerous for afghans. it's dangerous for americans. it's dangerous for arability ability to end the war and we don't want to put another thing in the taliban's hands that let's them create even greater instability and insecurity. i think it's important for the pentagon to be focused on this volatile resource, and i think my experience in afghanistan demonstrated that, it is creating more volatility than it is creating stability. >> john: we thank thank you for sharing your experience. it's completely fascinating and another side of this story that we're not hearing enough about in the conventional media. you're the author of "the tyranny of oil." thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> john: "zero dark thirty," a great movie, but is the message as dubious as you heard? an fbi interrogator joins me to

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perhaps he wouldn't have had as much of an issue with its content. almost immediately after the film's release a number of critics took issue with the way the film portrays the use of torture as a key to tracking down bin-laden. from acting c.i.a. director michael morell releasing a statement saying, quote, the film creates a strong impression that the enhance the interrogation techniques were the key to finding bin laden. the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led c.i.a. analysts to conclude that bin laden was hiding in abbattabad. some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques, but there were many other sources as well. contrary to what her film might suggest "zero dark thirty" director catherine bigelow seems to agree. >> i think it's been a very controversial issue. it's been debated since the early part of 2000 and it will

ton to be debated. since it's part of the history we had to show a few sequences of enhanced interrogation but again there are many techniques that led to the compound in abattabad. >> john: and those secrets are shown, and shown well but the question is were those a lead to bin laden. joining me now to discuss the cover surrounding the film jim clemene, former fbi academy interrogation instructor and allison bailes, a film critic for "more" magazine. welcome. is the film pro torture. and is the torture that led us to bin laden. >> unfortunately it does. it shows that in the torture he gave up the information. the one character maya, who was

there to show how horrendous torture was she goes on to have somebody else torture the guy she's interrogating to get further information. i think in general it does, in fact say that torture actually worked. that's incorrect. >> john: yes, it's interesting because the only character allison pack me up on this, but the only character who speaks out against torture is i think president obama in a scene in the commissary when they're watching "60 minutes." >> he has one line of dialogue in this film. and supposedly from then on these techniques continued. i don't feel that the film is pro torture. anyone sitting through that film you cannot come out of it and say torture is a good thing. you would have to be sadistic lunatic to think that. the torture is so oh horrific and i think it's clear that they're morley irreprehensible.

i think she makes that very clear. whether some information was gathered in that way that may lee to a more secure lead to capture bin-laden. i don't think we'll ever know. there was so much information gathered over a long period of time. this was a film that condenses ten years into two and a half hours. clearly characters and information is condensed. so i think that we have to look at this as a cinematic piece of artery than a historical piece of fact. >> jim, what are your thoughts. >> you're right to an extent. unfortunately when you have a movie that starts out saying this is based on real events, that there is a responsibility on the part of the makers that have movie to tell the truth when it comes to an incredibly difficult and moral issue. what they could have done is showed--they did show that torture is reprehensible

however the people who did it went away scott free with no negative consequences because of what they did and they didn't show that torture has helped the terrorists recruit more terrorists. it has helped the people that we tried to interrogate shut down completely because they know that we were doing that. it just reinforceed their negative stereotypes and it hindered us. >> john: the people who committed the torture did get away free. >> whose fault is that. that's not catherine bigelow's fault. >> i don't have a problem with it unless--except for the fact that it says it was true events. >> this, sir goes back to the point i wanted to make. yes, i think we're getting into a sticky wicket, to use an english phrase, with document dramas. when they say this is a true

story, this is the team that caught bin laden, that is misleading. this is an artistic impression of what happened using facts gathered. but we have to remember this is a filmmaker and screenwriter's impression, and you know, of all the facts. >> but it was also on the credits. >> it is. >> but we can't deny that it's based on a true story. >> jim, one thing we would agree on is the torture scenes are very well done. in your opinion jim do they accurately reflect the techniques used by the c.i.a. during that period? >> well, i think they accurately reflect some of them, yes. i know that there are--there are probably dozens of more things that weren't shown that were actually done. but the important thing is that for example waterboarding. that's based on our sear training. the "r" in sear is survival

evasion resistence escape. this is what we use against torture. they used the techniques that we teach our pilots to resist torture to torture. unfortunately, it didn't work. i'm not going to use specific names but the guy who notoriously was waterboarding water-boarded the most he used to count on his fingers ten seconds because he knew they would limit it to that much time. that's how he learned to resist torture. it hardened him and he gave us information that was false and it put us down a lot of false leads. others did the same thing. and others still other detainees just shut down completely when they were treated harshly. i just can't overstate that. >> john: that guy by the way owns the record of the longest waterboarding in history. allison i want to ask you one question about the problem that i have in the film. at no point does any character

express any criticism of the torture. have. >> as a critic, i was wrapped up in the film. i enjoyed it immensely. i thought the torture scenes were so hard to watch. anybody coming out of the film has to know that this is wrong and we must elect those who do not endorse torture. >> john: would you recommend people see this film with thed admonishment that it might not be real. >> absolutely. it depicts a lot of accurate things but keep in mind that the torture did not get us to osama bin laden. >> john: jim clemnete and allison bailes. thank you for your insight. we'll be right back.

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only on current tv. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: well, the weekend is upon us. and for those of you looking for a relaxing get away but can't decide where to go or what to do maybe our top lawmakers and celebrities can give you hints. hillary clinton certainly has has had a tough week so she's going to kickback in her chappaqua home and with republicans and fox news anglers demonize her, and spews her popularity right back in their faces. and mayor cory booker will spend the weekend driving around with a police radio. john boehner likes to spend his weekend at his favorite store the stop and sob. he wanders